Tuesday, November 27, 2007

If the Yankees trade Phil Hughes for Johan Santana I will be forced to drop my lifelong allegiance and root for another team

Over the weekend there was a good deal of scuttlebutt regarding what it would take for the Yankees to trade for Johan Santana, namely top pitching prospect Phil Hughes, mediocre center fielder Melky Cabrera and outfield prospect Austin Jackson.

Despite Santana being one of the best pitchers in Major League Baseball, I truly hope the Yankees aren't seriously entertaining the idea of trading one of the most exciting young pitchers their system has ever produced for a player they can have for NOTHING BUT COLD HARD CASH IN ONE YEAR.

The fact that deals are even hypothetically being thrown around makes me nervous. After witnessing the success of the trio of young pitching studs the Yanks introduced to us this year, the aforementioned Hughes, the sensational Joba Chamberlain (who has rightly been declared untouchable by the organization) and Ian Kennedy, coupled with years of ineffective free agent pitching signings and trades (see Neagle, Denny; Weaver, Jeff; Contreras, Jose; Brown, Kevin; ad infinitum) it looked like Brian Cashman and company were finally on the right track of developing pitching from within.

I'll never forget Tuesday, May 1, 2007. I was watching the Yankees play Texas with my brother, and it was Hughes' second Major League start. I had of course read all the hype surrounding Hughes for the past three years, and couldn't wait to see what he was going to do after a rocky first outing against Toronto.

As any Yankee fan can attest to, Phil didn't disappoint, and as batter after batter went down, my brother and I kept laughing in giddy amazement about what we were seeing. I've been watching the Yankees regularly since 1993, and even attended Dwight Gooden's 1996 no-hitter, and not only can I simply not recall being more excited during a regular season game than I was for Phil's near no-no, but I don't think I've ever been more excited for the opposing team's lineup to come to bat than my own.

Of course, Phil's brush with baseball history didn't quite turn out the way we had hoped, but everyone who saw the game that night knew that without a doubt, Phil Hughes would have pitched a no-hitter had he not pulled up lame with one out in the 7th.

After returning from the hamstring injury in August, Hughes' results were a bit mixed, although his peripherals were still sound. He seemed to really settle in come September, pitching the Yankees to a huge must-win victory against the Mariners early in the month, paving the way for the team to snag the Wild Card lead and never look back.

And what happened in October? I was fortunate enough to attend Game 3 of the ALDS against Cleveland, and simply witnessed the Yankees' only victory of the series authored by none other than Phil Hughes, in relief of an 80-year-old Roger Clemens.

Those in favor of a trade for Santana will cite Santana's track record as well as Hughes still being a relatively unknown commodity -- despite positive early returns, we don't know what Hughes will ultimately become.

However, after YEARS OF SHITTY STARTING PITCHING, I'm more than willing to take my chances with Phil Hughes in the rotation, who could very well deliver multiple Cy Youngs in the future. In 2004 we thought we were getting an ace when we traded Nick Johnson and Juan Rivera for Javy Vasquez. On paper it looked like a great deal, but the Yanks sure ended up getting bitten in the ass on that one, huh? Nick the Stick and his .400-plus OBP would look pretty damn nice at first base in 2008. And the following year, we traded for Randy Johnson, only to kick him to the curb two seasons later after subpar results, which were lowlighted by the punting of his two pivotal Game 3 playoff starts.

Now if the Yankees actually acquired Santana, chances are he'd be better than Vasquez and Johnson. But I think he has just as good a shot at coming over and falling far short of expectations as he does of dominating. Simply put, the Yankees do not have a positive track record of success in dealing for starting pitching.

Additionally, what Yankee fan in their right mind would prefer rooting for Santana over a top-flight Yankee farmhand? And getting back to my initial point, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TRADE FOR SANTANA WHEN YOU CAN SIGN HIM WITHOUT HAVING TO GIVE UP THE FARM IN 2009?

I can't stress this enough. What Yankee fan is so rabid for a championship in 2008 that they would actively mortgage a future of potential multiple championships for a shot at winning it next year?

Honestly, if the Yankees were to trade Phil Hughes, I might seriously have to consider switching my lifelong allegiance. I practically came out of the womb with a Yankee hat on, and I eagerly look forward to passing my Yankee fandom on to my son one day. But it would be very difficult for me to pull for the team if they traded away their most exciting homegrown player in more than a decade -- one that I have a serious rooting interest in and who has become my favorite player on the team.

I don't know who I'd root for. The National League is almost as boring as hockey, so the Mets aren't an option. I suppose I would have to vigorously campaign to bring back a third New York baseball team, which is actually a pretty cool idea regardless of everything I've written prior to this.

In conclusion, the Yankees absolutely cannot trade Phil Hughes to the Twins for Johan Santana. There is no conceivable way this deal makes sense to anyone with a brain, especially when (say it with me now) SANTANA WILL BE A FREE AGENT IN ONE YEAR. And if he gets traded somewhere else, who fucking cares? Let the Red Sox or the Mets unload all of their top prospects to get Santana. I'll be more than happy as Joba, Hughes, Kennedy and Horne pitch us to many, many championships over the next decade-plus.

e-mail: keephughes@gmail.com

61 comments:

Devaluer said...

I agree, we should probably save Philip Hughes!

Julie said...

THANK YOU! As a person who went to spring training specifically to see Phil last year I don't know if I could be a yankee fan any longer if they trade him. Santana is on the decline.

Gerard said...

I AGREE.

I would go for IPK plus Melky plus one or two others for Santana but NOT HUGHES.

Hughes, Joba, Cano and Ajax must remain off limits.

EVERYONE: please email Hank and Cash and let them know !!!

Liza said...

They need to trade for Santana this year (before Boston does) and sign him to an extension but NOT Hughes. NOT Chamberlain. NOT Cano.

mehmattski said...

I appreciate the rant, but, uh... it's very unlikely that Johan Santana will be a free agent in November 2008. If he's traded, the team getting him will almost certainly negotiate a contract before agreeing to the deal. And while the rumors abound, the Twins are opening a new stadium, and their owner, who has more money than the Steinbrenners, can certainly alter course and sign Santana themselves.

As for your last sentence: really, you wouldn't care if the Red Sox got Santana? Imagine the 2001 Diamondbacks, except Schilling and RJ were UNDER 30. That team would be unstoppable in the playoffs for years... and that's what the Red Sox would be like with Santana and Beckett.

Keeping Hughes is a good idea, but let's not be irrational. Hughes for Santana, straight up- Cashman would be an idiot not to pull the trigger. Hughes and Jackson is probably the highest I would go.

Anonymous said...

I wholly agree. Glad someone said it.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more. Hughes could very well be an all-star in 2 years and a dominant pitcher for the next decade, at a much lower cost for the next 6 years than Santana. When you factor in Santana's declining peripherals, there's a legit shot that Hughes will soon be as good, if not better than Santana.

Anonymous said...

Santana and his 0-5 record vs. Cleveland and his 4.00 ERA in the playoffs is HARDLY unbeatable. I am more afraid of Buchholz and Ellsbury than I am of Santana. Let him go to Boston. I agree 100% that this team needs to quit with the "names" and focus on the system.

Rebecca said...

Thank you.

ceciguante said...

hey, i like hughes a lot, too. but your hugheslove is over the top, and your analysis is off.

i'd love to keep hughes, but as a mehmattski pointed out, santana is most likely not going to be available in the offseason. if boston gets him, it's curtains for this team: boston answers the late 90's yankee dynasty with a dynasty of their own AND gets the perpetutal failure off their backs. you're willing to risk that because hughes "might" win cy youngs one day??? that's nuts.

hughes for santana straight up is a godsend of a deal for the yanks. SANTANA IS THE BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL. and he is in his prime for another couple of years. hughes is just a prospect. get over it, we would still have joba, kennedy, horne, sanchez, etc etc. deal from a strength to fill a weakness -- that's how a team improves.

Anonymous said...

I wish I still had Levine's number I'd give him your website. Screw Santana why should we make the Twins a stronger organization and we get stiffed with a 30 year old overpaid ace. 150 million for Santana reaching into his mid 30's is nuts. Save Phil, and Kennedy too.

Anonymous said...

amen

Cayman said...

No shot you make this trade! Round and round we go....it never seems to stop. One would love to believe that we have been so smart in our trades over the past year, and dedicated to the draft and our system, that we wouldn't just scrap it all for Santana. Melky is one of the better defensive fielders in the league, and at 23 his bat is still getting better (while I might add I am not that disappointed as is). Where is his '08 replacement? Oh yeah....Damon. Please! Then the talk that we also toss in A-Jax! Why not? Sounds like we are having a fire sale. I haven't even gotten to the meat and potatoes....IPK and Hughes. I am not afraid of Boston having Beckett and Santana. First, they will not be dominant forever. Second, considering that I have a farm loaded with phenominal prospects, to go with Hughes, IPK, and Chamberlain....I say we can go toe to toe with the best, and our guys are all 22ish. Sure '08 we fight for a wild card as these guys develope, but surprisingly I would say that much to the dismay of the Steinbrenners, most Yankee fans are OK with not necessarily winning it all every year. I would much rather win it a bunch of years (not all), and be proud of the product on the field knowing that it is ours....we groomed it, we had faith in it, and we developed it! Maybe then I can identify with my Yankees 100%, 100% of the time, instead of reading other teams box scores to follow my prospects of the past. Lets stop acting like a bunch of idiots having to change our shorts every time a big name comes on the market(love him or hate him...thank god for A-Rod, or Warren Buffett, or Goldman Sachs or whoever is responsible for us not trading for Miguel Cabrera). Instead lets all focus our energy on making sure that Petite laces up and tosses on the Pinstripes for one last go round. His 15 wins will be a great veteran Yankee presence, and allow our Big Three (As the front office called them a few months ago when they promised not to trade them and mortgage our future) to prove themselves on the big stage. That Championship will change the face of the Yankees and how we operate forever!

B(rent) said...

You keep stressing that he will be a free agent next year. However, what GM in their right mind would trade for Santana without locking a long-term extension shortly afterwards? There is no way the trade will go down if Santana doesn't sign an extension right afterwards.

With that said, yes, save Philip Hughes.

:):):) said...

You're totally right man. You make some relevant points and PHILLY HUGHES is undoubtedly right next to Joba and Cano as THE untouchables.

I don't mind if the Yanks decided to ship off IPK and Melky and some other low-end pitching prospect. I think Ajax has the potential to become something big.

Fuck Santana and his dumbass wanted a 7/$150 mil contract. We're gonna have to give it to him if we trade for him anyway. Dumb, impatient Yankee fans need to sit the fuck down and shut their mouths.

Will and Kevin, if you're reading this, you're both stupid.

TIWWDN said...

Obviously anyone that trades for Santana will lock him up for a long-term extension. I didn't think I needed to make that point.

Regardless, I still wouldn't give Hughes up for Santana, even if it meant that the Red Sox end up landing him. Does anyone honestly think Theo will trade Buchholz, Lester and Ellsbury? I know the Sox are willing to part with talent to get talent, but in this case it seems unlikely. Theo, Gammons et. al. talk about Ellsbury as if he's the second coming.

Plus, as great as Santana is, who knows how well he'll fare pitching half his games in the Fenway Park bandbox? The last thing Yankee fans should be worried about is what the Sox do. Let's worry about our own team. If Theo wants to mortgage his own farm, I can live with that.

Ross said...

I support this blog.

cayman said...

I know this is a save Hughes website, but I really want to know who would be our center fielder next year without Melky?

Jesus Montero, Jose Tabata, Austin Jackson, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Alan Horne, Deline Betances would be the cream of the current prospect crop, with Melky and Cano having already established themselves in the big league lineup. That is what most would consider the top 10 "young talents" of our organization. Would you really be willing to trade 4 of the top 10 for a 20+ million dollar guy who probably shits the bead in the last couple years of his contract? Because if you only have to give up 3 of the 10, its going to be Melky plus Hughes plus IPK or A-jax, and thats 3 of our top 5....

Somebody recently did a piece on trading Matsui to the Dodgers,and Throw in some 2nd tier starter or 2 depending like DeSalvo/ Marquez/ Karstens/ Rasner/ Clippard / etc. If we could pull that off for a Billingsly and Matt Kemp, or Kemp, Clayton Kershaw, and Broxton, we could use those chips in the trade and avoid using our own goods.

Then we go something along the lines of Billingsley, Kemp, Horne, and Betemit (they need a 3rd baseman and he would be better than what they've got) for Santana...and if that wasn't enough, they can walk...and trade for just about any other pitcher in the bigs...save Beckett....and be left with the best system in baseball

A. Phil said...

Thank you man!!!!! :) Finally, another intelligent baseball fan.

Mr. Faded Glory said...

You know, I hope if the Yankees get Santana that all of you idiots who will "stop being fans" follow through. Yes, abandon ship, people! The Yankees are interested in the 28 year old left-handed best pitcher in baseball!

I like Hughes, but at best, what can you hope for? That he becomes the best pitcher in baseball? Well currently that's who many of you don't want on your team.

Santana is not going to be a free agent. He will either sign an extension with the Twins or will sign during his negotiating window upon being traded. I hope you ship-jumpers all become Boston fans, because that's where Santana would wind up.

Your love for a prospect is irrational.

cayman said...

If I was Santana, I wouldn't sign. 2 kinds of teams will go after him. A. The team with prospects to trade and money to blow B. Teams with just money to blow. If there are 5 of each, that means that 5 teams are currently in the running. If he holds out for next years free agency, he gets to have a bidding war with all 10!!! Simple math, unless you would like to argue the what if's... Why would he wait for free agency when he can get the money now...what if he gets hurt? what if he has a down year? Well if that is the case then more reason why I don't want Santana. Not that I don't like his stuff....just at what cost???

cayman said...

To add to my last post, if the Yankees didn't offer the world, and didn't make the trade, without their involvement, what is the pricetag on an extension from another team? The only way he gets top dollar is with the Yankees involved. If they chose to sit back and wait, he may be forced to also...see you in free agency Johan!!

William H. said...

I couldn't agree with you more.

www.nysportsfan.org

I don't see why we wouldn't hold onto all three of our top pitching prospects and sign Johan or CC next offseason.

I'm confident this will happen especially once Andy decides to return.

DMan said...

Yes!

Well put. I'm with you on this one.

I hope all this trade buzz just fizzles into nothing

Mark McCray said...

I heart Phil Hughes

Anonymous said...

Yes, OF COURSE we should keep Hughes. But, let's be clear that we can't have it both ways -- why does anyone think Santana will be available again next year?

The Twins *must* deal Santana now -- or else they will get nothing when he walks next year. And when they deal Santana, any team that can afford him would be beyond foolish not to give him a contract that locks him in for longer.

Anonymous said...

Hughes is going to be a stud but will he ever be as good as Santana is now? Probably not. Hughes, Melky, and Tabata for Santana is a deal the Yankees would have to make.

Anonymous said...

this is the most retarded inane rant I've ever read. You sir...are an idiot

Kalel9 said...

Yanks won't trade Hughes.

It will be Kennedy and Melky and something else if they deal for Santana, and no deal if the Twins want Hughes.

Anonymous said...

Great read.

Phil will be an awesome pitcher in the future, you even saw him getting better and better after he came off that injury.

Also, he's a very nice guy...he has an official website http://philiphughes.net you guys might wanna check it out. He's on vacation right now, and will be back in a few days.

Thanks

Eric said...

You don't seem to be very smart thinking the Yankees will be able to sign him after the 2008 season. Santana WILL be traded and the team that gets him will have a 90 day window to sign him to an extension before the deal is finalized. No I repeat no team will get Santana without being sure they can sign him to an extension. Phil Hughes is NOT Roger Clemens. Get that out of your retarded head. Santana is the best pitcher in baseball. Hughes is a very good prospect, not even the best. Santana has had 2 Cy Youngs and would probably have 4 if he played for a better team. You are just so stupid it isn't even funny. If the Twins asked for Hughes and Cabrera Cashman would do it in a heartbeat. Santana is not only a player he is the best pitcher in baseball the PAST 4 YEARS!!!! YOU ARE SO STUPID!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I would not trade Hughes for Santana. Not even up. I WANT the kids. Let's do it the right way.

Anonymous said...

You're totally right. Santana will be a free agent next off-season because nobody is going to be willing to give up their entire farm system for him. Sox wont and the Dodgers wont. The only ones who would are the Mets and both Pelfrey and Humber's stock has dropped to far to secure a pitcher of Santana's ability.

Hughes is not the key, rather Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy are the key. The Yanks are not one pitcher away, they are several away in both the rotation and the bullpen. When/if Santana walks next year (which I believe he will be available) throw all the money you can at him. Especially because the Yanks will have a ton of money coming off the books.

P.S. Anyone who thinks the Yanks will only have to give up two prospects or young players for Santana is stupid. They will want at least four top level type prospects. And until his bump in the road during his return from the hamstring, he was the best prospect in baseball. I think after his game 3 performance people will return to their senses about him.

........ said...

How are you all positive Horne, Hughes, Kennedy, ect will all be stars? We have so many fucking pitching prospects we're gonna have a bunch of starters pitching out the bullpen in AAA next year. If we can convince Minny that IPK and another guy like Jackson (who I'm not as high on as Tabata) is > than Hughes, then fine. But seriously Johan will not reach free agency. Someone'll pick him up as the Twins will not lose Johan without getting something bigger than draft picks. How do we know Hughes will blossom into the ace we all thought? What, because he threw 6 no hit innings? Who cares? The fact is we don't know if he'll be an ace. And we don't know if he'll ever hit mid 90's like he used too. All we do is bitch and moan that we never have good pitching and we finally have a chance to nab fucking JOHAN! c'mon Johan is not Jeff Weaver. He's not Javier Vasquez. He's not Jose Contreras, he's not a 41 year old Randy Johnson. He's a 29 year old lefty ace who's got years of dominance left. If our farm system is as good we think it is, we can afford to trade Hughes (or Kennedy), Jackson, and Melky for the best pitcher in the game. About injuries, they can happen to anyone, Phil himself was injured last year. Johan is a horse. And stop talking about multiple championships with Hughes like it's guaranteed. It's not, not even with Johan. Cashman said he won't trade the kids. We have a shitload, some gotta go sooner or later. Infatuation with prospects has got to stop. They'll come and go, but Johan has dominated for the last 6 years (and he's in his prime.)
In conclusion. A (potential) ace in Hughes/Ian Kennedy, a guy who may never be an impact player in the bigs (Ajax), and a defensive star who doesn't hit well (Melky Cabrera) is < Johan Santana. Any day of the fucking week.

Anonymous said...

Santana will not be a Free Agent next year. Guys like that get traded and then sign an extension with the new team. See Schilling a few years ago, Hudson and Beckett more recently. Do not kid yourself into thinking the Yankees can have him for nothing but cash next year. I am truly excited to see Hughes develop into a Yankee great, but Santana will not be there for the signing next year. Also comparing trading for Santana to trading for Vasquez (who had good stuff but was never really more than a .500 pitcher) and/or Randy Johnson at 40+ years old is just plain ridiculous and reason enough for me to never visit this blog again.

willymilly said...

agreed. I am 18 years old and I love having three guys a little bit older than me to root for, I will be growing up as they do and I will be pissed if the Yankees give that up for subpar performances.

slick09358 said...

Agreed, agreed, agreed!!!! There is no way on earth they should trade The Franchise! Frankly, just talking about it makes me ill. I'd give up Wang before I'd give up Phil. This is a philosophy. I know Santana is great, but he's going to be 29, he's never played outside of MN, he's pitched in a dome, he's never won a WS, and we have no idea how he's going to perform in this town! Phil is a born and bred Yankee - DO NOT TRADE OUR PLAYERS!!!!

YankeeFan said...

I just want to point out that your point about being able to acquire Santana after this year via free agency is likely false. Assuming Santana is traded, and all signs point to this being the case, he will only accept the trade if he is signed to a contract extension (a 72 hour window will be granted following the trade for an agreement to be reached). I'm not saying they should trade Phil Hughes, but in terms of Santana, it's probably now or never.

cayman said...

Here I go again....I feel like I have to babysit some of these soccer fans posting on our yankee blog! WHO IS MY CENTER FIELDER NEXT YEAR WITHOUT MELKY? And explain to me again what exactly is wrong with Melky's hitting #'s?? He is 23 and still has upside. I (and Melky) apologize that he doesn't partake in Miguel Cabrera's offseason HGH program, but show me another player at his age with his tools, proven at the major league level. Sure he may never be a 30hr, 120rbi guy...but .300avg, 20hr, 90r, 90rbi? I believe so....and maybe that is enough....not everyone is HOF bound!

And why are we all drooling over Johan....is he good?...yes. However when did he last win the CY? 2006, and who was 2nd in the voting? Look it up. All I am saying is that over the past 2 years he has averaged a 17-9 record an a 3.00 era. Is that so over the top shut down baseball that it is worth 20-25mm/ year? My guy averaged 19-6 with a 3.60 era, and somehow he isn't the 2nd best in baseball? Come-on....all we are talking about are good numbers, nobody out there is that over the top great that these discussions should even be happening. He's good..I get it, but I can build more by keeping what I have than shipping it off and relying on him to carry me on his shoulders.

Johan has a full no-trade clause, so it is in his hands, and as I said earlier to get top dollar he needs the Yankees involved. He will wait to get top dollar however possible. This has nothing to do with the Twins. If I backoff of the trade, and wait and he ends up elsewhere....WHAT...maybe I win 4 less games next year...for 4 top prospects I am willing to take that gamble!

Anonymous said...

i agree with you in essence.
one major flaw:
santana will never hit the free agent market.
whoever obtains him will be giving up soo much, they would only do so on the condition they sign him.
note precedent-pedro martinez and boston, same scenario and same predictable result.
i'm not a blogger but read many.
please pass this on as no one seems to discuss this sure fact.
gregori

cayman said...

not in disagreement, but what I am saying is that in the end, Johan can just say no, and the Twins have no choice but to keep him! If he indeed wants to be a yankee, as has been suggested elsewhere...that he has instructed the Twins to work something out w/ the Yanks...then the Yanks offer only what we want....worse case IPK, Betemit, A-jax I could live with ...no Melky...no Hughes (honestly I have a tough time with IPK, but I have to be realistic)...Twins can only say yes, or keep him and lose to free agency. Remember there is no downside for him to go to free agency....the only one with anything to lose is the Twins, and he would be silly not to bully the Twins into a trade to the Yanks even if they don't get what they want, cause no matter if it's now, or next year, he knows the most $...the best contract... will come from NY!

frostdude1 said...

Totally agree with the entire article !!

Hughes > Santana

stephie said...

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one entertaining the idea that Hughes is off limits.
Just hope the front office would listen to us.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't have said it bettr myself!

Spags said...

Right on Pete! I could not agree more. The only thing that makes me flinch, which you address at the end, is someone else could get him. I agree about waiting the year, and paying WHATEVER it costs then. But not now, not for our prospects. If its just for money, sure (hey, it's not MY money!). But not for the power trio. I dont even want to lose Melky, who I think is going to have his breakout season in 08. If not, fine, but I love the kid. Great idea for a new blog!

Anonymous said...

As someone has already said, your second main point in this article is kind of a mute point; there's almost no chance of Santana becoming a free agent next year. Any team that deals for him will ask for a 72hr window to negotiate a new contract. No GM in baseball is dumb enough to trade the talent necessary to get him, and only have him for one year. The whole "WE CAN SIGN HIM NEXT YEAR" will never happen.

Also, please for the love of God don't say let him go to the Sox. The Sox were the best team in baseball this year when the Yanks weren't on a roll, and adding Santana with Beckett would make them just deadly. You can say our young guns will get us WS year after year, but that may not be the case if the Sox have Santana to go along with all their other weapons. That being said, I believe Santana yesterday veto'd wanting to go there anyway.

Now I don't want to get rid of Hughes in the slightest either. Personally, I'd trade Kennedy, Melky, Gardner, Wright, Karstens (or something like that) for Santana, but the talks might start and end with Hughes.

damnyankee13 said...

I agree, we dont need to mortgage our future

Anonymous said...

Ever since I saw Hughes almost no hitter I am convinced that if the Yanks were to trade Hughes that it would go down as the worst deal of all time. Hughes is the real deal! I do like Santana, lets face the facts the Sox WON'T give up any talent for him. I think the asking price would be lowered and we could pick him up for Ian Kennedy and Melky...I would then say DO IT!!! Otherwise NO WAY Huhges/Chamberlain/Cano are OFF LIMITS if it were up to me.
-JT

cayman said...

I still maintain that nobody should even bother posting anything on this board until they can explain who the Yankees 2008 centerfielder is going to be if we trade Melky. (If your answer is Andrew Jones, you need to rethink this entire scenario!!)

Anonymous said...

apparently the yanks have marginal interest in rowand.

Besides that, if you trade Melky, try to get Jones on a make-good 1-year deal, and then Action Jackson plays center field in 2009.

If all else fails, we're stuck with Matsui-Damon-Abreu

I think Melky is gone no matter what, if not for Santana, then for either Haron or Jenks

cayman said...

Then we are not going to make the playoffs with that OF anyway. Damon can barely throw to second base. Love him as a spark in that lineup when he's on but his defense bliows. I cant take a risk on A-Jax being my CF until he is ready, and Boras takes a 1yr deal for Jones...no way. Plus 1yr deal still costs 15MM. So now I lose 4 top prospects for 2 players that cost me a combined 40MM and devalue my franchise, and probably come up with the same amount of wins!

Anonymous said...

I agree about keeping Hughes. signing guys to big contracts seems to result in bad karma far too much. Hughes performance in the playoffs was a coming of age moment that the Yanks should keep in mind.

Anonymous said...

After reading all these posts I felt the need to chime in a bit. nobody is off limits in the sports business, just doesn't happen. Do I think they should trade for Santana, nope, build from within and if not next year the year after we should be one of the dominant teams. Plus who knows, does Santana start to peter out, it has been known to happen and Hughes is young so I would rather take my chances on him becoming a Santana than paying for a Santana with our prospects, and Santana not being Santana anymore. But what really got me is this talk about the franchise, cayman saying with certain actions we may devalue the franchise. Well that is what it all really comes down to folks, the yanks are moving into a new staium and unlike other teams where filling those seats are so important, well they don't need that, they will do all that with or without Santoooey. BUT ...... as some executives have stated they wouldn't be surprised to see the yanks sold in a few years, and if that is the case then the Steinbrenners our thinking about their best product to be sold in a few years, and exactly what is that, a potentially overpaid Santana and maybe even an over had to be paid for-bought pitching staff or a Santana-esqe PHIL HUGHES, Strike out Leader JOBA CHAMBERLAIN, Game 4 WS Clincher IAN KENNEDY, 3 time all star MELKY CABRERA, batting champ CANO and A ROD breaking the HOME RUN records. Really is a tough decision, who knows!!!

Mr. Faded Glory said...

"3 time all star MELKY CABRERA"

loooooool i just peed myself. it's amazing how much you people overvalue your own team

Anonymous said...

Ok so it may be tough for him to be an all star with Ichiro and a few others out there, but hey he was rated #3 for range factor so i guess he covers the ground well, #1 in assists so i guess when he touches the ball people get out, so defensively he is one of the best in center in the American league, offensively he fell apart in September but he is young, in RBIS he was #5 but only 7 RBIS out of being #2, which obviously is attributable to his SEPT, oh yeah and #5 in batting, and would of been #3 but yet again for SEPT. And yes I know you could retort that he couldn't do it in Sept but once again the guy is young. So maybe he isn't an all star but hey maybe he is. Hmmm i guess you wouldn't want a defensive great and a #5 ranked offensive center fielder, who could potentially be #3. OK. I guess being a Boston fan you would want to sign COCO for another 4 mill a year.

Anonymous said...

Side note: I meant #5 in batting not including Upton and Lofton cause they aren't in the top ten in defensive statistics, he was #7 overall and still would of been #3 if not for the Sept.

Anonymous said...

I would trade anyone but Phil, Joba, and Tabata for Santana.

Anonymous said...

well you heard it hear first,

BOSTON gets Santana by the middle of next week!!

JohnnyBoi said...

If the twins *NEED* to trade santana then the yankees don't need to trade Phil Hughes to get him this means the twins are in trouble not the yankees. I would not want to trade what everybody considers the *BEST* pitching prospect in baseball for the last 2 years. Phil Hughes Joba and Kennedy and Wang can matchup with Beckett Schilling Dice-K and Buckholtz because remember just because we don't santana doesn't mean that the sox will. I really don't want to trade the guy who may have started this cycle we have now of developing young pitches. So if Cashman is smart he will stick to his guns give the twins an offer of like Sanchez Jackson tabata and ohlendorf because its not like the twins r going to contend next year without there top pitcher. Cash needs to remember he may be playing with housemoney!

matt said...

I agree, the yankees should learn a lesson from the red sox, they refuse to give up buckholz or jacoby for santana. The yankees shoudl take a hint and realize he is not worth it. Plus the guy has so many inings on his arm he is bound to break down sooner or later, look what happend to guys like Chris Carpenter last year, the result of pitching so many inings at a cy young level the past couple seasons.

p.s. - Johan gets bombed at fenway park

Anonymous said...

haha jobas untouchable